1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,180 hey y'all Ryan Sprague here as you all 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:04,170 know this summer in the skies podcast is 3 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:06,930 always free to consume but it isn't free 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:09,510 to create that's why I've started this 5 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:11,370 somewhere in the skies patreon campaign 6 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:14,099 you on a monthly basis you give what you 7 00:00:18,740 --> 00:00:15,929 think the show is worth you'll be 8 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,750 helping the show continue grow and to be 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:21,270 something truly communal and remember 10 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:23,490 there are rewards for each level of 11 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:25,590 contribution and the list is only 12 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:28,080 growing so please help somewhere in the 13 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:30,480 skies now by becoming a patron to 14 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:34,760 contribute and to learn more visit WWE 15 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:39,420 TLC I thank you for your support and now 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:41,160 on with the show they're out there man 17 00:00:44,990 --> 00:00:42,570 I've seen them I've been out there or 18 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:45,000 Aurora Texas they got them little graves 19 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:45,960 and stuff 20 00:00:50,690 --> 00:00:48,719 yeah I've been out there and I know I'm 21 00:00:52,910 --> 00:00:50,700 planning a trip I'm planning a trip 22 00:00:54,319 --> 00:00:52,920 we're going out to like Arizona or 23 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:54,329 something that figures something out 24 00:00:59,660 --> 00:00:57,539 we're not Arizona what was it yeah is 25 00:01:01,430 --> 00:00:59,670 Arizona right the Air Force one where 26 00:01:04,039 --> 00:01:01,440 they found all that stuff I got pictures 27 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:04,049 of war I've seen grave sites they're out 28 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:06,030 there man and I I'm flying in the plane 29 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:08,040 I'm always hallucinating but who really 30 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:09,570 knows what I'm looking at you know what 31 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:10,110 I'm saying 32 00:01:15,410 --> 00:01:12,030 who knows dude they could be made of 33 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:15,420 water I don't even know water man you 34 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:16,400 heard the man 35 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:20,390 water they give me made of anything 36 00:01:24,090 --> 00:01:22,500 extraterrestrial that the 37 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:24,100 extra-terrestrial 38 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:32,900 [Applause] 39 00:01:37,470 --> 00:01:36,240 this is somewhere in the skies the 40 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Branzburg 41 00:02:06,340 --> 00:02:02,580 Rob welcome back to another edition of 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:06,350 UFO happy hour how are you my man I'm 43 00:02:11,290 --> 00:02:08,690 good thanks for having me on again how 44 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:11,300 are you dude I am good it's 1:00 in the 45 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:13,720 afternoon here and I have got a nice 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:16,940 Templeton rye sitting next to me here 47 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:19,490 with one ice cube I'm going classy today 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:20,030 man 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:22,610 so would you bring to the the barstool 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:25,130 today well we're gonna we're gonna 51 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:29,570 reprise this again and we've got a we've 52 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:33,350 got a nice 16 ounce aluminum can of 53 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Labatt blue because you just can't go 54 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:39,410 wrong with this Canadian Pilsner I love 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:42,590 it and you know it's it's not gonna fill 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:46,370 me up so it's the best it is the best 57 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:48,890 it's a miracle drug I can't wait man to 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:50,810 get back on the East Coast and have my 59 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:55,370 Canadian beers again I miss it so I can 60 00:03:00,699 --> 00:02:57,470 understand man I can understand cuz it's 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:00,709 just whoo it takes the edge off the end 62 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:05,090 of the day and you know it doesn't it 63 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:06,890 doesn't weigh you down so yeah I 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:08,810 couldn't agree more we'll see if I even 65 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:10,130 make it through this interview with 66 00:03:13,810 --> 00:03:11,630 Bourbon I don't know what I was thinking 67 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:13,820 but 1:00 in the afternoon is we're 68 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:16,450 recording this on the west coast but I 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:19,280 you know I need all the drinks I can get 70 00:03:24,220 --> 00:03:21,410 right now man I'm in the process of 71 00:03:26,140 --> 00:03:24,230 packing and moving back so if it's a 72 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:26,150 little echoey I apologize to the 73 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:28,400 listeners and to you my son quality 74 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:29,930 might not be as good as it usually is 75 00:03:35,140 --> 00:03:32,360 but we will we will barrel through this 76 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:35,150 oh yeah man we're gonna we're gonna do 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:37,550 it I I wanted you to come to the table 78 00:03:43,210 --> 00:03:40,130 with your top three UFO cases today and 79 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:43,220 knowing you of course you did not fail 80 00:03:47,710 --> 00:03:46,040 me you picked some amazing cases that 81 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:47,720 we're gonna discuss in a little bit but 82 00:03:53,770 --> 00:03:50,360 there's two stories I wanted to bring up 83 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:53,780 one most recently that I believe I found 84 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:55,730 through you and several other 85 00:04:01,570 --> 00:03:59,090 researchers and that was the story that 86 00:04:03,790 --> 00:04:01,580 recently broke from Tyler Roca way over 87 00:04:06,309 --> 00:04:03,800 at the war zone which is a sector of the 88 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:06,319 more widely known online news site 89 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:09,470 and it involved a bizarre chase there a 90 00:04:14,979 --> 00:04:11,870 high-security Nevada nuclear test site 91 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:14,989 that ended in someone being shot dead 92 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:19,280 this is crazy man yeah this this story 93 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:23,810 broke on on Tuesday and like somebody 94 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:25,310 posted on Twitter I was like what 95 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:28,750 somebody somebody was killed so 96 00:04:38,050 --> 00:04:34,300 basically yeah on Monday at 5:18 p.m. 97 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:38,060 there was a guy in a car he drove 98 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:41,780 through a security checkpoint at where 99 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:43,910 what they call area 23 which is 100 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:48,830 designated as mercury and a car chase 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:51,710 ensued with not only private security 102 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:53,810 but the nine county sheriff's deputies 103 00:05:00,219 --> 00:04:57,290 and it went for eight miles the guy 104 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:00,229 eventually pulled over got out of his 105 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:02,450 vehicle and he was holding some kind of 106 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:04,660 what they called a a metallic 107 00:05:13,450 --> 00:05:10,610 cylindrical object that could they be 108 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:13,460 any more enigmatic no no definitely not 109 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:17,960 and so this guy he's not listening to 110 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:20,690 the commands of the security personnel 111 00:05:26,170 --> 00:05:23,810 and the sheriff's deputies and he 112 00:05:28,180 --> 00:05:26,180 basically was going to go confront them 113 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:28,190 and they opened fired shot and killed 114 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:30,140 him right right on the spot there so 115 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:34,280 yeah we have we have a lot of questions 116 00:05:38,950 --> 00:05:36,620 and they're not getting answered and I 117 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:38,960 know it's early on this this story still 118 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:42,010 developed me but developing but he 119 00:05:47,650 --> 00:05:45,289 there's no motive of why he was there 120 00:05:50,290 --> 00:05:47,660 what he was doing his level of sobriety 121 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:50,300 which I thought was funny tyleryoga way 122 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:52,370 brings up but it's very rare for these 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:54,289 things to happen at this nuclear test 124 00:05:59,020 --> 00:05:56,570 site I mean we're all familiar with area 125 00:06:01,750 --> 00:05:59,030 51 and the sign saying we can shoot you 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:01,760 on premises if you trespass but you know 127 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:04,810 these other areas this vast area of 128 00:06:09,370 --> 00:06:08,090 Nevada the tests say we have no idea 129 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:09,380 what else is going on up there 130 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:12,260 apparently there could be like ordnance 131 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:15,110 out there or like things that could 132 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:18,590 explode so who knows why this guy was 133 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:19,040 going 134 00:06:24,220 --> 00:06:21,470 out there what his plans truly were yeah 135 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:24,230 and I mean like this is now it's been 136 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:27,530 kicked to the FBI so it's probably gonna 137 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:29,360 be a long time coming before we really 138 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:31,490 get any information if we do get any 139 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:34,520 information because we don't know you 140 00:06:40,930 --> 00:06:37,760 know what kind of national security risk 141 00:06:43,090 --> 00:06:40,940 this guy was and yeah we really don't 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:43,100 know what the heck he was doing I mean 143 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:46,010 he's pretty brash to just you know drop 144 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:49,280 Lao pass security detail and just yeah 145 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:52,120 the problem with this too Rob is like 146 00:06:57,070 --> 00:06:55,100 because you know they shot him dead if 147 00:06:59,290 --> 00:06:57,080 there's very little to work backwards on 148 00:07:02,140 --> 00:06:59,300 to find out why he did this I mean yeah 149 00:07:04,510 --> 00:07:02,150 it probably lays in whatever that object 150 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:04,520 was he had with him I don't know I don't 151 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:06,800 know yeah I don't either man and it's 152 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:08,840 like it's kind of terrifying 153 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:11,990 you know because you just it's it's that 154 00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:15,800 unknown of you nobody's ever really done 155 00:07:22,210 --> 00:07:18,320 this before or if they have we've never 156 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:22,220 heard of it so yeah it's it's just 157 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:23,690 frightening to think about it's 158 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:25,820 frightening it's fascinating and of 159 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:27,590 course all of us UFO people find it 160 00:07:32,380 --> 00:07:30,530 intriguing because it is near area 51 161 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:32,390 but at the end of the day we got to 162 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:34,430 remember someone was shot and killed I 163 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:36,970 mean this guy's gone so it's tragic 164 00:07:42,310 --> 00:07:40,010 beyond anything else and you know that 165 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:42,320 comes up with another case that you and 166 00:07:47,530 --> 00:07:45,770 I had been discussing similar to to the 167 00:07:51,790 --> 00:07:47,540 Nevada testing sites we have Dugway 168 00:07:54,250 --> 00:07:51,800 proving ground as well in 2011 this kind 169 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:54,260 of reminded me of what was going on here 170 00:08:00,520 --> 00:07:56,810 a top secret base where you know a guy 171 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:00,530 wasn't pronounced dead just yet he was 172 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:03,020 pronounced missing and that was Joseph 173 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:05,080 bushland a soldier he was assigned at 174 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:07,130 Fort Collins Colorado 175 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:09,950 but then he was stationed at Dugway and 176 00:08:15,610 --> 00:08:12,620 for those who don't know Dugway is 177 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:15,620 considered by many to be area 52 178 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:18,080 where a lot of top-secret stuff is going 179 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:21,950 on UFOs have been reported so yeah this 180 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:24,170 was back in 2011 Joseph borrowed a 181 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:27,410 friend's car and they think he went out 182 00:08:30,790 --> 00:08:29,090 there they were sightsee you know the 183 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:30,800 desert and he ended up calling a friend 184 00:08:34,209 --> 00:08:32,030 and left a message 185 00:08:35,830 --> 00:08:34,219 saying that he'd run out of gas he was 186 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:35,840 going to try to walk back to Dugway 187 00:08:40,659 --> 00:08:38,270 proving ground and he said he was very 188 00:08:43,510 --> 00:08:40,669 cold he lost his flip-flops and he was 189 00:08:45,310 --> 00:08:43,520 using his shirt as Footwear and it was 190 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:45,320 raining so I mean everything that could 191 00:08:47,890 --> 00:08:47,000 go wrong seemed to be going wrong for 192 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:47,900 him at this point 193 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:49,490 he'd never arrived back at Dugway and 194 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:52,780 he'd never been heard from again 195 00:08:58,420 --> 00:08:56,210 no and as far as we can tell there's 196 00:09:03,130 --> 00:08:58,430 never been a body found and I mean 197 00:09:05,050 --> 00:09:03,140 Dugway is vast in size like you could 198 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:05,060 probably go missing and nobody would 199 00:09:10,090 --> 00:09:07,850 find you they also made mention of how 200 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:10,100 there's like unexploded ordnance out 201 00:09:15,220 --> 00:09:13,130 there so there's a you know chance that 202 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:15,230 he could have stepped on something and 203 00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:19,130 and you know met his end that way but 204 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:22,160 yeah it was just it was kind of weird 205 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:27,080 because he was heading towards it's I I 206 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:28,700 don't know exactly how it's pronounced 207 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:32,150 kalau gate which is is one of doug ways 208 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:35,570 gates and they he never made it there 209 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:40,190 and they ended up going out and in a 210 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:42,920 pattern from where they found the car up 211 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:45,020 and to this gate and they never found 212 00:09:51,370 --> 00:09:46,820 his body at all the only thing that they 213 00:09:55,270 --> 00:09:51,380 found of his was an Iban arkansas 214 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:55,280 razorbacks hat that was it yeah so you 215 00:10:01,240 --> 00:09:56,870 got to wonder what happened to this guy 216 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:01,250 wait where did he go and and the last 217 00:10:07,570 --> 00:10:04,910 update I ever saw on this case 218 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:07,580 his parents that had set up a Twitter 219 00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:13,760 account and there was a dead link to a I 220 00:10:19,660 --> 00:10:16,550 believe as a blog post about some bones 221 00:10:21,370 --> 00:10:19,670 found out near Dugway so there's a 222 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:21,380 chance they may have found him but we 223 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:24,230 just don't know as far as I'm like I can 224 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:26,870 tell he's still he's officially declared 225 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:30,770 dead but he's also on many sites listed 226 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:33,410 as missing right I mean the authorities 227 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:36,170 ruled out suicide and foul play and like 228 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:37,940 you said they did pronounced him dead 229 00:10:43,690 --> 00:10:40,660 there was a death certificate issued in 230 00:10:45,199 --> 00:10:43,700 2014 you know so his family could 231 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:45,209 receive military benefit 232 00:10:50,660 --> 00:10:48,240 and life insurance so that's kind of 233 00:10:53,359 --> 00:10:50,670 understandable at this point the fact 234 00:10:56,119 --> 00:10:53,369 that you know we found nothing and he 235 00:10:58,759 --> 00:10:56,129 hasn't shown up anywhere but his friend 236 00:11:01,069 --> 00:10:58,769 who he called likes to think that maybe 237 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:01,079 he's still out there somewhere or made 238 00:11:05,989 --> 00:11:03,660 it to somewhere safer and just live in 239 00:11:08,359 --> 00:11:05,999 the good life but again just another 240 00:11:11,419 --> 00:11:08,369 tragic tragic thing to happen at these 241 00:11:14,359 --> 00:11:11,429 mysterious top secret installations I 242 00:11:16,369 --> 00:11:14,369 mean Dugway itself has so much Lord look 243 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,379 at the the sheep incident that happened 244 00:11:22,009 --> 00:11:18,959 back in the 60s wasn't it yeah it was 245 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:22,019 the Skull Valley incident in March of 68 246 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:26,730 where you know all these sheeps all 247 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:29,899 these sheep on farmers land just died 248 00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:33,959 hundreds of sheep and it was linked to a 249 00:11:39,439 --> 00:11:36,480 chemical at Dugway proving ground 250 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:39,449 because Dugway is essentially where we 251 00:11:46,730 --> 00:11:42,059 test chemical weapons so yeah it was it 252 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:46,740 was linked back to that and yeah I I 253 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:48,959 feel bad for but the bushland family 254 00:11:52,669 --> 00:11:50,850 here because they seem to think that 255 00:11:57,410 --> 00:11:52,679 something happened to him and that they 256 00:11:58,879 --> 00:11:57,420 know what happened to him and you know 257 00:12:01,249 --> 00:11:58,889 your heart just goes out to him because 258 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:01,259 it's just and and I think what people 259 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:02,819 need to understand is this guy was a 260 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:06,990 medic he was he was going later that 261 00:12:14,829 --> 00:12:10,860 week down to Texas to actually get his 262 00:12:17,989 --> 00:12:14,839 RN to become an RN a registered nurse so 263 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:17,999 you gotta wonder it's like he was he was 264 00:12:23,780 --> 00:12:21,209 definitely panicked yeah right so he was 265 00:12:25,819 --> 00:12:23,790 panicked so that kinda it kind of rules 266 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:25,829 out that you know he went out there to 267 00:12:30,859 --> 00:12:28,920 you know commit suicide or anything like 268 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:30,869 that I mean he was on the right track to 269 00:12:37,549 --> 00:12:33,600 some pretty good stuff in his life so 270 00:12:42,109 --> 00:12:37,559 yeah again just a tragedy all around but 271 00:12:45,019 --> 00:12:42,119 you know besides that that you mentioned 272 00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:45,029 the sheep incident in the 60s we also in 273 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:48,959 2011 we I found an article where the 274 00:12:52,369 --> 00:12:50,610 facility at Dugway was put under an 275 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:52,379 extreme lockdown when the loss of a 276 00:12:59,370 --> 00:12:57,010 toxic nerve agent and was lost 277 00:13:02,579 --> 00:12:59,380 recovered the shut down the entire like 278 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:02,589 area so they got a I don't know what's 279 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:04,060 going out there in Dugway but they gotta 280 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:05,980 be more careful man these things are 281 00:13:12,090 --> 00:13:09,070 like killing six thousand sheep in the 282 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:12,100 60s was like the total number and now in 283 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:14,529 nerve agent like goes missing and on the 284 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:17,529 same day like numerous UFO reports were 285 00:13:23,129 --> 00:13:20,620 sighted in the area so oh man this 286 00:13:24,540 --> 00:13:23,139 Dugway proving ground dude I I look 287 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:24,550 forward to hearing more about what's 288 00:13:29,189 --> 00:13:26,860 going on out there he probably didn't 289 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:29,199 help themselves when Rob Lowe and his 290 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:31,690 kids decided to go there for on their TV 291 00:13:37,199 --> 00:13:35,440 show exactly again once these bases are 292 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:37,209 acknowledged you know everything is 293 00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:40,480 getting moved somewhere else so but our 294 00:13:44,970 --> 00:13:42,639 good friend Dave Rosenfeld he's a UFO 295 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:44,980 investigator he he goes out to Dugway 296 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:47,230 all the time constantly and monitors all 297 00:13:52,769 --> 00:13:49,690 the weird aerial phenomena going on out 298 00:13:53,069 --> 00:13:52,779 there so III wish him all the luck out 299 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:53,079 there 300 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:56,500 I hope he's being careful and we got to 301 00:14:00,329 --> 00:13:57,970 keep our eye on Dugway I guess that's 302 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:00,339 the only way to sort of put it yeah I 303 00:14:05,699 --> 00:14:02,920 mean he knows that that base but it will 304 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:05,709 like the back of his hand so I mean he's 305 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:09,550 the guy for it and yeah it's just now 306 00:14:14,490 --> 00:14:12,430 it's in kind of in the spotlight because 307 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:14,500 people are being drawn more and more to 308 00:14:20,730 --> 00:14:17,050 it so yeah be interesting to see what 309 00:14:22,769 --> 00:14:20,740 happens at Dugway going forward and I 310 00:14:24,809 --> 00:14:22,779 did I will admit I did a deep dive on 311 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:24,819 reddit which I don't suggest anyone out 312 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:29,230 there I did do a deep dive and just 313 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:31,480 didn't to see if anyone was talking 314 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:34,120 about Dugway and I found like so many 315 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:37,630 military people who were saying yeah 316 00:14:43,769 --> 00:14:41,290 like Dugway I I wanted to be stationed 317 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:43,779 there and it was always denied and 318 00:14:47,819 --> 00:14:45,910 whenever you'd ask about going to Dugway 319 00:14:49,949 --> 00:14:47,829 like it was immediately stamped down 320 00:14:51,809 --> 00:14:49,959 like no no no one's getting put out at 321 00:14:54,569 --> 00:14:51,819 Dugway like no information out there 322 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,579 untuk way like just pick somewhere else 323 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:56,079 so I found that pretty interesting that 324 00:15:00,240 --> 00:14:58,180 even a lot of military people on reddit 325 00:15:02,579 --> 00:15:00,250 we're saying we have no idea what's 326 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:02,589 going on out there and we want to know 327 00:15:07,889 --> 00:15:05,529 too so yeah yeah I guess we'll leave it 328 00:15:09,310 --> 00:15:07,899 at that when it comes to to that but the 329 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:09,320 real reason 330 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:10,490 robbed I wanted to have you here today 331 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:13,130 not just to have a beer and a burden but 332 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:16,670 I want to hear about your top three UFO 333 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:18,260 cases I thought this would be a really 334 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:21,650 good way to to wet our whistle and get 335 00:15:25,660 --> 00:15:23,450 back to UFOs here on somewhere in the 336 00:15:28,570 --> 00:15:25,670 skies so I'm gonna let you take the 337 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:28,580 steering wheel with this man which one 338 00:15:30,370 --> 00:15:29,810 would you like to start with are we 339 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:30,380 gonna go 340 00:15:34,750 --> 00:15:32,120 you know ascending order of descending 341 00:15:39,010 --> 00:15:34,760 order whatever you want my man I think 342 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:39,020 we'll go from we'll go we'll go 343 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:41,150 chronologically backward we'll start 344 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:48,170 with 1977 and the Lee Parrish abduction 345 00:15:52,990 --> 00:15:50,600 this is an abduction case that not a lot 346 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:53,000 of people know about its briefly 347 00:15:59,830 --> 00:15:56,210 mentioned in an a pro news bulletin and 348 00:16:02,080 --> 00:15:59,840 like occasionally you can find bits and 349 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:02,090 pieces of information about it on there 350 00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:05,450 on various websites but and you can find 351 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:07,670 some pretty cool-looking artwork too but 352 00:16:14,380 --> 00:16:11,180 essentially this 19 year old guy Lee 353 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:14,390 Parrish he works on his family farm he 354 00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:17,450 was visiting a friend a female friend 355 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:20,240 and left her house at one o'clock at 356 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:24,470 night and he was driving home and he 357 00:16:32,410 --> 00:16:28,760 sees a light coming from he fed he kind 358 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:32,420 of experiences missing time and and he 359 00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:35,450 just sees the light fly away and what he 360 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:38,720 notices is that he's missing 35 minutes 361 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:42,530 now this is a five minute drive for him 362 00:16:48,670 --> 00:16:46,060 from this woman's house to his home so 363 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:48,680 he was kind of freaked out about it and 364 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:51,740 he went home his his mother was asking 365 00:16:54,940 --> 00:16:52,730 him where you know where had you been 366 00:16:59,380 --> 00:16:54,950 what do you would eat why you home so 367 00:17:02,380 --> 00:16:59,390 late and he proceeds to kind of panic a 368 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:02,390 little bit but the next day in in what's 369 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,310 great about this case is like it there's 370 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:07,520 no time left here the next day he has he 371 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:10,250 goes in for a hypnosis session and what 372 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:14,570 he finds is that a an object stopped his 373 00:17:21,699 --> 00:17:16,310 truck in the in the middle of the road 374 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:21,709 and from his memory he he's in the truck 375 00:17:26,649 --> 00:17:23,089 and then all of a sudden he's 376 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:26,659 on board this craft and he's standing in 377 00:17:34,239 --> 00:17:30,110 a room and in front of him to his left 378 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:34,249 is this really tall he guessed that it 379 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:36,200 was about ten feet tall it looked like a 380 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:40,460 wall with a bump on it and in front of 381 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:43,100 him was I would say the best way to 382 00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:45,289 describe it would be a large like an 383 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:47,600 oversized adding machine almost and it 384 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:50,720 was the color white and on his right was 385 00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,850 this rectangular object that he said 386 00:17:59,859 --> 00:17:57,919 resembled like a like a Coke machine 387 00:18:04,109 --> 00:17:59,869 like an old-school Coke machine right 388 00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:04,119 and all of a sudden the this black wall 389 00:18:11,139 --> 00:18:07,309 comes forward and it has an arm on it 390 00:18:15,730 --> 00:18:11,149 and it just hits Lee in the on his left 391 00:18:19,379 --> 00:18:15,740 arm and he starts freaking out he and 392 00:18:22,899 --> 00:18:19,389 and to quote him during the hypnosis 393 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:22,909 sessions he says oh no not the black one 394 00:18:31,899 --> 00:18:26,360 and I'm like oh god that is not a good 395 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:31,909 quote out of context but that one seems 396 00:18:38,379 --> 00:18:36,049 to unsettle him but then the red coke 397 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,389 machine has an arm of its own and it 398 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:41,360 gets him in I believe like the shoulder 399 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:43,580 or the neck and it kind of calms him 400 00:18:50,619 --> 00:18:47,210 down and what he believes and what he 401 00:18:54,609 --> 00:18:50,629 feels is that the white machine in front 402 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:54,619 of him is kind of this it's the leader 403 00:18:59,619 --> 00:18:57,320 almost and it's observing what's 404 00:19:04,450 --> 00:18:59,629 happening and and the other two are kind 405 00:19:11,769 --> 00:19:04,460 of this these subservient robots and 406 00:19:14,499 --> 00:19:11,779 what happens is the the red boxy robot 407 00:19:17,399 --> 00:19:14,509 thing basically backs off it ends up 408 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:17,409 going behind the white machine and 409 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:21,129 eventually the the black wall thing 410 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:25,129 basically takes its arm away and the 411 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:27,409 white machine goes behind the black wall 412 00:19:34,629 --> 00:19:30,529 and after that he finds himself 413 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:34,639 transported back into his truck and that 414 00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:36,950 that's the end of it it lasted 35 415 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:42,500 minutes but it's just so III I don't 416 00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:44,540 even know how to categorize this because 417 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:47,630 nobody it's not like these are robots 418 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:50,540 they're machines mm-hmm and and there 419 00:19:56,050 --> 00:19:53,570 was no other beings that he interacted 420 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:56,060 with and you just had a loss like what 421 00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,130 what what happened here and and he's 422 00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:00,080 this nineteen year old kid that has 423 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:02,120 nothing to gain by telling his story and 424 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:05,740 it's a story that still is not you know 425 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:09,920 widely known even in most of UFO culture 426 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:12,230 unless you're you know into perusing old 427 00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:14,930 APRA bulletins exactly yeah I mean I 428 00:20:20,140 --> 00:20:17,480 before you talked about this on your own 429 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:20,150 show I hadn't really heard about it and 430 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:22,010 I it's hard to find anything on the 431 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:24,380 internet about it which is you know your 432 00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:26,270 last-ditch effort when you're trying to 433 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:28,760 look for UFO information is go to the 434 00:20:35,950 --> 00:20:31,880 Internet but um with this one now 435 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:35,960 how did we get his story did he he he 436 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:37,910 remember this right he recalled it or 437 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:40,610 was he put under her basically he 438 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:43,730 contacted a bro okay and there was a 439 00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:47,510 local psychologist that I believe was 440 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:50,870 also hip to you know hypnosis and was 441 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:54,610 able to do it like the very next day oh 442 00:21:01,420 --> 00:20:58,880 yeah hypnosis copywriting that my man 443 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:01,430 along with tell ya secret space program 444 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:06,140 right oh yeah definitely the suck it 445 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Corey good what can I say I know the 446 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:12,890 subtitle of this episode now either hip 447 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:17,690 to hypnosis or suck it Corey good this 448 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:20,210 is one of those episodes that's okay 449 00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:23,960 we're drinkin man drinkin which is fine 450 00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:31,280 but mning case and like look at all the 451 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:33,800 weirdness that is Kentucky and I know I 452 00:21:36,510 --> 00:21:35,750 I don't think people realize just how 453 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:36,520 weird 454 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:41,510 Kentucky is I mean I mean we have we've 455 00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:43,460 got the hell year documentary series 456 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:46,220 that is just phenomenal if I urge 457 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:48,950 everybody if you have not seen it stop 458 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:50,630 what you're doing and go watch it 459 00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:56,650 it's enthralling it brings a new view to 460 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:00,590 how we look at not just it's not a 461 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:02,809 documentary about goblins it's about 462 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:05,510 more than that oh yeah I mean that that 463 00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:08,270 itself relates in the way to the Kelly 464 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:11,660 Hopkinsville goblin encounter from 1955 465 00:22:17,529 --> 00:22:14,150 and and and and it goes through the 466 00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:17,539 spiraling thing where for Leigh Parrish 467 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:21,919 it wasn't the only kind of there was a 468 00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,140 more well-known abduction account that 469 00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:26,960 took place a year before involving three 470 00:22:33,789 --> 00:22:31,640 women near Stanford Kentucky and they 471 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:33,799 were celebrating I believe Mona's 472 00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:35,990 Stafford it was her name her birthday 473 00:22:44,110 --> 00:22:41,200 and all three of them get abducted and 474 00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,120 they they end up going through hypnosis 475 00:22:49,149 --> 00:22:47,120 and they don't even get all the answers 476 00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:49,159 that they need all they can really say 477 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:51,260 is that they were tortured by these 478 00:22:59,020 --> 00:22:54,770 shadowy figures that they couldn't 479 00:23:03,370 --> 00:22:59,030 really make out but in probably the 480 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:03,380 national Enquirer's like only like move 481 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:06,020 of sympathy like that I could ever point 482 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:08,390 to them they actually they were in 483 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,809 desperate need of psychiatric help so 484 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:14,480 basically what they did is they they 485 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:17,090 ended up paying for it for the exclusive 486 00:23:23,049 --> 00:23:19,700 right to their story so that's that's 487 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:23,059 about the only the only case of the 488 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:24,890 National Enquirer having a heart that I 489 00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:27,830 can think of yeah yeah I know they 490 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:30,500 weren't too too good to us back in the 491 00:23:36,190 --> 00:23:32,690 day when it came to UFO stories let's 492 00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,200 just put it that way yeah exactly or to 493 00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:38,240 people who claimed authentic and genuine 494 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:42,559 experiences yeah the the second case and 495 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:45,020 this is one that whenever I talk to 496 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:52,570 anybody about this this case is so m''d 497 00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:56,090 it's it's there's so many elements going 498 00:24:02,220 --> 00:23:59,870 on to it so this is the abduction case 499 00:24:05,129 --> 00:24:02,230 of a man named David Stephens 500 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,139 and 501 00:24:10,930 --> 00:24:08,240 David Stephens he had just gotten out of 502 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:10,940 the Navy like maybe a few weeks before 503 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:15,529 and he meets this guy named Glenn gray 504 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:19,010 they have the they they both worked 505 00:24:24,009 --> 00:24:21,710 factory jobs so I think one works in a 506 00:24:26,529 --> 00:24:24,019 meat processing plant and I forget what 507 00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:26,539 the other one did but they both worked 508 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:29,000 night shifts so they kind of just hit it 509 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:31,370 off and they moved into this trailer in 510 00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:36,049 Maine and one night they they both had 511 00:24:40,570 --> 00:24:38,779 the same day off and they were up late 512 00:24:42,909 --> 00:24:40,580 because they didn't want to really mess 513 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:42,919 up their sleep schedules so they were 514 00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:46,570 just hanging out listening to music and 515 00:24:53,169 --> 00:24:50,840 they heard a booming sound and that was 516 00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:53,179 like around 1 o'clock in the morning 517 00:25:00,580 --> 00:24:55,580 again it's we're in the witching hour 518 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,590 damn it okay and they get drawn outside 519 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:02,960 and when they when they go outside they 520 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:06,710 don't see anything but Glenn gray turns 521 00:25:11,289 --> 00:25:08,600 to David Stevens and he says hey let's 522 00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:11,299 go for a ride and he's like yeah sure no 523 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:14,870 problem that's fine so they hop in the 524 00:25:22,029 --> 00:25:17,929 car and they're driving driving for a 525 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:22,039 little while and eventually the car 526 00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:25,700 starts to move and drive on its own the 527 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,120 David Stevens loses control of the 528 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:32,480 vehicle and it takes them down this 529 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:36,980 these series of backroads and what 530 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:40,340 happens is they both see this object in 531 00:25:44,529 --> 00:25:42,950 a field there are it looks like lights 532 00:25:45,879 --> 00:25:44,539 to them so they figured all there's 533 00:25:47,710 --> 00:25:45,889 people out there they must be looking 534 00:25:50,110 --> 00:25:47,720 for something and then these lights 535 00:25:53,860 --> 00:25:50,120 begin to rise up and they come near the 536 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:53,870 car and they're both kind of freaking 537 00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:56,330 out there's an incident of missing time 538 00:26:02,350 --> 00:25:59,059 and it's it's almost like like a 539 00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:02,360 cutscene and a fast-forward here and the 540 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:05,000 two like desperately at first try to 541 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:06,769 start the car and they can't do it and 542 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:09,769 eventually they they're able to start 543 00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:12,580 the vehicle they they just booked it and 544 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:17,720 this UFO follows them and it toys with 545 00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:18,080 them 546 00:26:25,509 --> 00:26:22,820 for a number of miles for in and for a 547 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,519 number of hours like they just went back 548 00:26:32,169 --> 00:26:28,640 and forth with this UFO and eventually 549 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:32,179 at like 7:30 in the morning it finally 550 00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:38,450 flies away and they both go home and and 551 00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,070 there are in just freaked out yeah and 552 00:26:47,169 --> 00:26:44,960 almost immediately they had poltergeist 553 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:47,179 like activity in their house there was 554 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:51,350 yeah there was bangs there was cupboards 555 00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:54,880 opening and and and stuff like that and 556 00:27:01,659 --> 00:26:58,760 eventually they I believe they were they 557 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:01,669 contacted the International UFO Bureau 558 00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:04,510 back when it was up and running and 559 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:07,630 eventually they they finally get into 560 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:10,220 hypnosis sessions and what you find is 561 00:27:15,789 --> 00:27:13,250 that when they first saw the UFO rise up 562 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:15,799 out of that field what had happened was 563 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:18,529 and I forgot to mention it but when they 564 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:20,870 came when they came out of that missing 565 00:27:26,049 --> 00:27:24,769 time episode they were on the other side 566 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:26,059 of the road they went from the 567 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:27,710 right-hand side of the road to the 568 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:30,049 left-hand side of the road and what he 569 00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:32,809 finds is that he was taken David 570 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:36,350 Stephens was taken aboard this craft he 571 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:40,220 was he interacted with these beings that 572 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:42,470 he described as having mushroom-shaped 573 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:46,850 heads and they're kind of a gray 574 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:48,980 archetype and in a way I mean they have 575 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:51,320 these big bulbous heads but like they 576 00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:54,110 almost look like in a way they remind me 577 00:27:58,029 --> 00:27:55,700 of a hammerhead shark if a hammerhead 578 00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,039 shark had like a really rounded head and 579 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:01,039 these eyes on the side that had they 580 00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:04,610 were white with the black pupils and he 581 00:28:09,419 --> 00:28:06,470 sensed these right I think I've seen 582 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:09,429 sketches of that he sketched it and then 583 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:11,990 one of the investigators actually did a 584 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:14,600 really really great sketch of this thing 585 00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:16,340 and like when you look at it it's 586 00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:19,220 wearing this like almost flowing robe 587 00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:24,620 it's it's got webbed hands which is very 588 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:29,240 very weird at one point there when 589 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:31,370 David's first arrives on the 590 00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:35,600 you fo he's one of these beings you know 591 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:37,340 comes in the room they draw him into 592 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:39,530 another where there are multiple other 593 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:41,510 beings and basically they want him to 594 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:43,430 take his clothes off well he doesn't 595 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:45,110 want anything to do it he doesn't have 596 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:46,730 anything to do with that so he ends up 597 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:48,790 hitting one of them in the face 598 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:52,300 awesome Travis Walton style right and 599 00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:56,090 they they back up they give him some 600 00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:57,830 space and then he comes forward and then 601 00:29:02,680 --> 00:28:59,630 he just kind of complies with whatever 602 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:02,690 they they won they conduct a medical 603 00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:05,570 examination on him and I believe they 604 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:08,360 even take blood and at a certain point 605 00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:12,530 and they they deposited him back in his 606 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:14,360 car and and realistically I don't 607 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:16,610 understand why the UFO toyed with them 608 00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:20,570 for another like three hours until it 609 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,179 flew away but it did and one of the most 610 00:29:30,340 --> 00:29:25,520 fascinating features of this account is 611 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:30,350 that he worked with a he was a family 612 00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:34,910 physician but he also did hypnosis to 613 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:37,700 help aid in women going through 614 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:40,250 childbirth should try to ease pain and 615 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:41,690 stuff like that his name is Herbert 616 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:42,290 Hopkins 617 00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:46,610 and he went through about six or so 618 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:51,950 hypnosis sessions and they learned all 619 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:53,330 this but one of the most fascinating 620 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,809 things was when Herbert would ask him 621 00:30:01,049 --> 00:29:58,880 about the feet he wouldn't describe the 622 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:01,059 feet he would just ignore the question 623 00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:03,410 okay and then and then the only thing 624 00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:05,480 that he ever said about their feet is 625 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:08,030 that some were wearing shoes in some 626 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:11,150 weren't that was it and it's like one of 627 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:14,450 those nagging details that kind of I 628 00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:15,830 kind of get obsessed with at times 629 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:19,030 because more and more when you go over 630 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:21,650 some abduction accounts and even close 631 00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:24,830 encounter of the Third Kind reports they 632 00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:26,600 don't describe the feet for whatever 633 00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:30,020 reason yeah which right yeah and maybe 634 00:30:34,419 --> 00:30:32,030 it's just because I mean you know it's 635 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:34,429 it's the feet that's the lowest point to 636 00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:37,370 a to a humanoid or a human being like 637 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:39,560 it's it's probably the least interesting 638 00:30:44,669 --> 00:30:42,230 point to people but like they always 639 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:44,679 describe everything else and like 640 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:47,230 detail but the feet it just never seems 641 00:30:53,609 --> 00:30:50,980 to be there was yeah poltergeist 642 00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:53,619 activity in their home in David Stevens 643 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:54,580 parents home 644 00:30:59,940 --> 00:30:56,710 there was Poulter lice poltergeist like 645 00:31:02,909 --> 00:30:59,950 activity knocks on doors and it was 646 00:31:07,109 --> 00:31:02,919 experienced by family members 647 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:07,119 the and and this likes to Herbert 648 00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:11,980 Hawkins is this he exceda men and black 649 00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:15,940 experience that may not in fact be true 650 00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,419 or there's a blog post that that says 651 00:31:27,629 --> 00:31:24,159 that it was a completely and totally 652 00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:27,639 made-up but you know that is what it is 653 00:31:34,169 --> 00:31:31,720 but that abduction account is just it's 654 00:31:36,749 --> 00:31:34,179 so and I mean it ruined 655 00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:36,759 Glenn gray he actually ended up being - 656 00:31:42,779 --> 00:31:40,389 I think Kansas because his own family 657 00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:42,789 didn't believe him well yeah what do you 658 00:31:45,539 --> 00:31:44,169 do at that point when someone is so 659 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:45,549 vocal about it the other one doesn't 660 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,110 really want to talk about it at all I 661 00:31:52,379 --> 00:31:49,600 mean Glenn never talked about this from 662 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:52,389 what I can gather afterwards really no 663 00:31:58,409 --> 00:31:56,110 he didn't is life yeah and he refused to 664 00:32:00,869 --> 00:31:58,419 be hypnotized so we don't even really 665 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:00,879 know what the full level of his 666 00:32:06,629 --> 00:32:04,149 experience was so yep yep I've dealt 667 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:06,639 with that a lot with claimed abductees 668 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:08,950 who I've asked them like do you want to 669 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:10,690 go under a regression or is it something 670 00:32:15,659 --> 00:32:12,730 you've ever considered and a lot of them 671 00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:15,669 say no you know I have the the faint 672 00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:18,909 memories or snippets in my memory now I 673 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:21,100 don't want to know anymore of what 674 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:23,110 happened to me or I don't want something 675 00:32:28,649 --> 00:32:26,740 to be you know implanted into my my 676 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:28,659 subconscious that didn't actually happen 677 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:32,529 so the whole hypnosis thing obviously we 678 00:32:36,749 --> 00:32:34,090 have to take with a grain of salt but 679 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:36,759 when you get a story like this from 680 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:39,759 Stevens like it's so like you said it's 681 00:32:45,539 --> 00:32:41,950 so out there and so weird and I'm like 682 00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,549 how could anyone make all this up yeah 683 00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:47,679 he has nothing to gain from it this is 684 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,470 not a widely known abduction account 685 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:53,919 this is you if you peruse the pages of 686 00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:56,769 you know issues of flying saucer review 687 00:33:01,529 --> 00:32:58,600 from the 688 00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,539 mid to late 70s you'll find these 689 00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:04,480 accounts but that's where they remain 690 00:33:09,899 --> 00:33:08,019 and you you will find certain little you 691 00:33:13,499 --> 00:33:09,909 know mentions of it here and there there 692 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:13,509 was an article by Micah Hanks he 693 00:33:18,749 --> 00:33:15,370 mentioned it briefly Richard Dolan 694 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:18,759 mentions it and one of his UFOs in the 695 00:33:23,789 --> 00:33:20,950 national security state books but like 696 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:23,799 that's all it ever gets is just this 697 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:27,190 brief mention but it's also preserved in 698 00:33:33,139 --> 00:33:30,190 a great book called UFO dynamics by 699 00:33:36,570 --> 00:33:33,149 Berthold ich warts who was a 700 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:36,580 psychiatrist who I believe was 701 00:33:43,139 --> 00:33:39,250 affiliated with a pro for a number of 702 00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:43,149 years but if you I highly recommend UFO 703 00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:45,399 dynamics get your hands on this book 704 00:33:49,649 --> 00:33:47,500 it's hard to it's hard to come by for a 705 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:49,659 decent price but there are so many great 706 00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:52,690 cases there's an interview with Betty 707 00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:57,070 Hill years later talking about UFO 708 00:34:03,269 --> 00:33:59,980 experiences that she had after the one 709 00:34:07,259 --> 00:34:03,279 that her and Barney had and there's 710 00:34:10,649 --> 00:34:07,269 other contactee claims and there's a 711 00:34:12,329 --> 00:34:10,659 like a story from Woodstock it's it's 712 00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:12,339 really great it's a really great 713 00:34:18,059 --> 00:34:15,460 collection interesting so we might have 714 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:18,069 had a alien invasion going on at 715 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,129 Woodstock you never know man it kind of 716 00:34:28,589 --> 00:34:23,200 seems that way there was an invasion of 717 00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,599 something happening so well 718 00:34:35,099 --> 00:34:31,599 this case is just the encounter of David 719 00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:35,109 Stephens is amazing it's so rich with 720 00:34:41,069 --> 00:34:38,500 detail and you heard it here on UFO 721 00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:41,079 happy hour so go get that book that Rob 722 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:43,480 just brought up please I can't get my 723 00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:45,490 hands on that if I can get my hands on 724 00:34:53,309 --> 00:34:49,270 it alright so what is our number one top 725 00:34:57,839 --> 00:34:53,319 UFO case for Rob Kristofferson for me 726 00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:57,849 it's always going to be the case of 727 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:00,790 Lonnie some more in his close encounter 728 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:05,290 of the Third Kind her one day to do this 729 00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:09,130 yeah cheers to that yeah absolutely my 730 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,030 history with this case goes back to 731 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:14,560 unsolved mysteries it's one of the very 732 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,550 few UFO cases that I can think of that 733 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:20,800 they ever did they they covered Gulf 734 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:22,630 Breeze they covered the Hudson Valley 735 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:25,450 sightings they covered the the the other 736 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:27,670 one that yep they covered Roswell which 737 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:30,130 is how Roswell made it to the mainstream 738 00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:33,790 for a lot of people and it they covered 739 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,120 the one of the most terrifying stories 740 00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:39,760 the story of the allagash abductions 741 00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:42,820 which are just terrifying 742 00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:45,640 long story short on that one folks do 743 00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:48,100 not signal a UFO with a flashlight when 744 00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,120 you're in the middle of the woods just 745 00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,820 don't do it no matter what Steven Greer 746 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:54,400 tells you do not vector in a UFO guys 747 00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:57,730 nope no don't do it don't do it but 748 00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:01,390 Lonnie Zamora is the one case that I 749 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:04,300 remember so vividly from unsolved 750 00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:07,180 mysteries and I believe it's the first 751 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:09,430 time that I ever heard the name J Allen 752 00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:12,010 Hynek to be honest and I was yeah I was 753 00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:14,920 a little kid at the time but I have this 754 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:17,860 faint memory of being in middle school 755 00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,880 in we were doing this English project 756 00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:24,880 where we were basically taking apart the 757 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:27,220 song we didn't start the fire by Billy 758 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:28,570 Joel we were breaking it down into 759 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,570 decade we were researching and writing 760 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,910 reports on like all of the events that 761 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:36,640 he mentions in there and the other part 762 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:39,250 of the project was that we were supposed 763 00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:42,070 to add on to it and stuff like that and 764 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:45,820 and and put events that we think should 765 00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:48,040 have made it into that song into it now 766 00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:50,550 it was kind of a really cool project but 767 00:36:58,350 --> 00:36:54,520 Lonnie Zamora is maybe one of the best 768 00:37:01,890 --> 00:36:58,360 UFO witnesses on on record oh absolutely 769 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:01,900 I I firmly believe that and you know I 770 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:03,880 don't want to disparage him really at 771 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:06,850 all but like he's not a highly 772 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:09,400 intelligent individual he's not but he's 773 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,010 not somebody who's who's gonna make 774 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:16,260 stuff up now the story starts this is 775 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,730 1964 April 1964 and this it's about it's 776 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:24,640 close to 6:00 at night and 777 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:27,610 he's chasing a speeder south of Socorro 778 00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:33,480 New Mexico and he suddenly hears this 779 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:37,180 high-frequency roar but he doesn't 780 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:39,910 describe it as like kind of like a 781 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:42,370 rocket or anything like that which which 782 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,030 is kind of weird but he he describes it 783 00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:48,640 as going from a high frequency to a low 784 00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,870 frequency and he believes that it's the 785 00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:58,140 mayor's local it's the dynamite Shack 786 00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:00,910 that is going to explode because the 787 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:02,950 mayor just happened to have one yeah 788 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:06,400 it's every town yeah every town needs a 789 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:10,210 old dynamite checked so he breaks off 790 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:12,610 pursuit and he heads in the direction of 791 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:16,360 this sound and he it takes him a little 792 00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:19,600 bit to get up this little hill but when 793 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:23,080 he does he he could see what he thinks 794 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,340 is a car that's overturned and he could 795 00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:29,760 see people outside these people 796 00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:33,480 apparently see him coming and they 797 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:36,100 disappear in back into this object but 798 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:37,690 once Lonnie Zamora gets close enough 799 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:42,090 what he realizes is that this is a an 800 00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:46,300 oval-shaped object that has from his 801 00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:48,300 vantage point what he could see is 802 00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:52,680 there's two landing platforms down and 803 00:39:00,300 --> 00:38:55,960 he also describes hearing this sound 804 00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:00,310 which it sounds like a door closing in 805 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:04,840 in a way and this this object that's 806 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:06,730 sitting there all of a sudden it the 807 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:09,640 heat that familiar roaring sound comes 808 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:12,040 back it goes from a low frequency to a 809 00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:13,870 high frequency and and all of a sudden 810 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:16,960 he just sees this flame coming out of 811 00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:19,390 the bottom of it and he could feel the 812 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:21,700 heat he takes cover behind his car he 813 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:25,630 ends up hitting his ankle on his bumper 814 00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:29,890 but he ultimately makes it further back 815 00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:33,300 behind the car and when the sound stops 816 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,460 he turns around and he looks and he can 817 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:38,560 see this object hover 818 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:42,450 about 15 to 20 feet off the ground and 819 00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:46,660 uh it's at first it starts to slowly 820 00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:49,660 move away and it barely makes it over 821 00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:52,120 the top of this dynamite Shack and it 822 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:56,500 just zips away from him he's white as a 823 00:40:02,660 --> 00:39:58,690 ghost he doesn't understand what he has 824 00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:02,670 seen and he radios in for backup and 825 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:06,540 eventually sergeant Chavez one of his 826 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:09,970 friends from the police force eventually 827 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,650 makes it out to him he could see that 828 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:14,800 Lonnie Zamora is hooking up he's pale 829 00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:18,760 he's sweating profusely but he goes down 830 00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:20,860 to the landing site and he can see that 831 00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,190 there are bushes that are on fire there 832 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:27,000 was some landing marks in the ground 833 00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:29,530 trace evidence thank ya 834 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:34,060 yep trace evidence and soon after you 835 00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:36,430 you've got blue book coming in to invest 836 00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:38,920 this kit investigate this case Hynek was 837 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:43,180 on the ground within I believe 48 hours 838 00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,770 it was with oh yeah and and the most 839 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:49,800 amazing thing about that story is that 840 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:52,570 when they're when they're driving into 841 00:40:59,310 --> 00:40:56,250 Socorro their car gets a flat tire and 842 00:41:00,330 --> 00:40:59,320 Hynix not wait and he did he hitchhikes 843 00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:00,340 into town 844 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:03,430 oh god that's amazing 845 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:06,970 I can't wait to see if Project Blue Book 846 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:09,850 the television show covers that I really 847 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:12,550 hope they do it's it's too good a story 848 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:21,370 not to and oh yeah so Hynek gets out 849 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:24,670 there he does his investigation and they 850 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,960 radio around to because I forget what 851 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:30,910 what base is around there our White 852 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:34,060 Sands Missile Range is just it's nearby 853 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:37,030 they radio over there it's nothing from 854 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:41,830 them and you know Hynek this is one of 855 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:45,370 those cases that is a high watermark for 856 00:41:52,349 --> 00:41:50,290 Hynek because of it he initially railed 857 00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:52,359 against the close encounter of the third 858 00:42:00,989 --> 00:41:57,839 in cases he was he didn't like them but 859 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:00,999 if you read the UFO experience he talks 860 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:02,170 about just because you don't like 861 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:04,150 something doesn't mean that they aren't 862 00:42:09,989 --> 00:42:05,950 happening and then it doesn't deserve to 863 00:42:12,479 --> 00:42:09,999 be quantified so Hynek really you know 864 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:12,489 he looks at so Mora and sees a guy who's 865 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:15,960 really credible and a guy who ultimately 866 00:42:22,229 --> 00:42:20,230 after this experience happens and after 867 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:22,239 he shakes off you know the fear and 868 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:24,249 stuff is ultimately upset because he 869 00:42:33,299 --> 00:42:25,900 didn't reach his quota for tickets for 870 00:42:36,539 --> 00:42:33,309 the day but we we also have a correlated 871 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:36,549 sighting of this object from I believe 872 00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:38,650 it's a family in a station wagon that 873 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:42,309 ended up calling a local radio station 874 00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:44,920 to report it but there's also the story 875 00:42:52,499 --> 00:42:48,609 of this guy named Gary T Wilcox and his 876 00:42:55,999 --> 00:42:52,509 story it had it takes place in I believe 877 00:42:59,849 --> 00:42:56,009 it's called Tioga city in New York and 878 00:43:02,549 --> 00:42:59,859 he's he's a farmer and one day he's on 879 00:43:05,729 --> 00:43:02,559 the same day of the more sighting hours 880 00:43:08,849 --> 00:43:05,739 before he's looking to increase his 881 00:43:11,579 --> 00:43:08,859 farmland any and he comes to this one 882 00:43:14,759 --> 00:43:11,589 area and he can see this oval shaped 883 00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:14,769 object that is that has landed and there 884 00:43:21,539 --> 00:43:18,279 are these two humanoids in these white 885 00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:21,549 jumpsuits that are outside they talk to 886 00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,980 him but what he says is that it's not 887 00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:26,079 they didn't talk to him from their mouth 888 00:43:33,749 --> 00:43:27,940 it felt like it was coming from their 889 00:43:35,819 --> 00:43:33,759 abdomen of all places and they tell him 890 00:43:41,009 --> 00:43:35,829 they tell him that they're from Mars and 891 00:43:44,579 --> 00:43:41,019 that they need fertilizer and you know 892 00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,589 Gary T Wilcox nice guy he goes and you 893 00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:46,619 know he goes and gets that fertilizer 894 00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:49,329 while he's doing that the ship takes off 895 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:52,660 and leaves what he stopped yeah this but 896 00:43:56,789 --> 00:43:53,910 he still comes back with the fertilizer 897 00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:56,799 okay and the next day when he goes out 898 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:00,640 there it's gone yeah so it's it's an 899 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:02,890 interesting correlated kind of 900 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,750 correlated sighting that 901 00:44:11,290 --> 00:44:08,720 it's big for Jacques Vallee in his 902 00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:11,300 contact trilogy in one of the books and 903 00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:14,900 he briefly mentions it in passport Touma 904 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:19,220 Gonia but it's interesting there's one 905 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:22,450 issue that I kind of have with it in 906 00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:27,410 when Zamora saw this object when it 907 00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:30,380 eventually went silent he could see on 908 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:33,020 the side of this object there was a 909 00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:35,450 symbol on it yes yeah I know this is a 910 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:37,550 bit contentious part of the case yes 911 00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:41,570 elaborate so the way that he drew it and 912 00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:44,600 the way that he's drawn it repeatedly 913 00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:46,580 over and over again is what it looks 914 00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,120 like is it's in red there's like a half 915 00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:52,640 circle underneath the half circle is an 916 00:44:59,350 --> 00:44:54,980 arrow that's pointing up and underneath 917 00:45:04,240 --> 00:44:59,360 that is a horizontal line that is what 918 00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:04,250 he is drawn now we've been researching 919 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:08,030 this case for about three months I I've 920 00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,130 got a really fantastic researchers 921 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:12,800 name's Rory he's been really diving into 922 00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:14,450 this case going through the blue book 923 00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:17,180 files and just picking it apart detail 924 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:20,840 by detail and one of the things that we 925 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:22,730 have arrived at is that what he has 926 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:26,210 written down and in the symbol that 927 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:29,240 people associate that I just described 928 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:31,970 is not the actual symbol that he saw it 929 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:34,910 is a different symbol that basically 930 00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:38,690 looks like an inverted V and there are 931 00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:40,940 three horizontal lines going through it 932 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:44,150 and and a lot of people describe that as 933 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:49,370 a decoy simple but we've actually we've 934 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:51,710 gone through the blue book reports we've 935 00:45:59,220 --> 00:45:53,930 gone through the appro bulletins we've 936 00:46:01,870 --> 00:45:59,230 gone through testimony that basically 937 00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:01,880 the people that were invested that the 938 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:02,900 people from the government 939 00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:05,150 Hynek excluded that we're investigating 940 00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:08,780 this case said do not go public with 941 00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,420 this symbol because it's it's kind of an 942 00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:13,520 investigative hallmark here if somebody 943 00:46:18,490 --> 00:46:15,830 else saw it we'll know but at the same 944 00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:18,500 time they basically suppress this symbol 945 00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:22,040 so yeah so the symbol that we come to 946 00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:24,080 associate with this encounter is wrong 947 00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:26,270 it's it's not what we think it is it's 948 00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:31,550 not that arrow pointing up it's not yeah 949 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:35,390 wow that's fascinating man I mean and 950 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:37,070 these are the kinds of things that they 951 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:41,210 hope will be so you know bury it so deep 952 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:43,580 that no one will come to find this out 953 00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:46,790 but you can never underestimate a UFO 954 00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:51,109 researcher right and I'm not gonna get 955 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:53,390 too into detail with it because it's a 956 00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,490 we're eventually going to cover it on on 957 00:47:00,370 --> 00:46:58,160 my podcast but basically we we have 958 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:00,380 enough we we have enough information 959 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:03,530 where we believe we can speculate that 960 00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:08,480 this was a government object a 961 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:11,420 government craft of some kind and and 962 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:13,910 we'll be getting into it it's uh it's 963 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:17,210 it's interesting and I honestly when we 964 00:47:21,609 --> 00:47:19,430 started to look at this case when Rory 965 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:21,619 went into it I didn't think we would 966 00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:25,250 find anything in the details in many 967 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,780 cases are so different and the narrative 968 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:32,240 is so different that we actually got a 969 00:47:37,329 --> 00:47:34,609 lot to bite on with it I can't wait and 970 00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,339 I know you you were making your way 971 00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:39,920 through race Stanford's book to write 972 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:42,200 recently the socorro so Serena Pentagon 973 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:45,170 pantry yeah raised an interesting 974 00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:49,490 character and at first that yeah I 975 00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:52,430 reached out to your listeners on your 976 00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:54,220 Facebook group because I was trying to 977 00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:59,599 track down a decently priced copy yeah 978 00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:01,730 it's a coral saucer and a Pentagon 979 00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:04,430 pantry yeah it's a hard book to come by 980 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,710 for a decent price and then I still 981 00:48:12,339 --> 00:48:09,280 wanted either yeah one of your listeners 982 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:12,349 actually gave me his email at first they 983 00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:14,330 gave me an old email that didn't work 984 00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,280 but uh but they gave me this new email 985 00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:18,680 and I and I contacted him and he's and 986 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:21,320 here's the thing Ray Ray knows how much 987 00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:27,890 his book is worth yeah so I I can 988 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:29,950 officially say that this is the most 989 00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:31,970 amount of money I've ever paid 990 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:35,840 for a UFO book which was about $60 but 991 00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,050 the cool thing is is that one it's 992 00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,359 autographed to me now so you know that's 993 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:44,480 that's amazing but second yes it comes 994 00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:46,910 with this bookmark that has a correction 995 00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:53,150 in it oh yeah it's really cool but yeah 996 00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:56,150 Rey was one of the he was an independent 997 00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:58,730 researcher on the ground with it and if 998 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:00,650 you look at the he book jacket he 999 00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:03,770 actually had files taken from him by the 1000 00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:06,200 government so you know that's that's an 1001 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:09,500 interesting angle we also have Kevin 1002 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:12,410 Randall's book here too that just came 1003 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:17,030 out I believe in 2017 about this Socorro 1004 00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,140 case and like his angle which was a 1005 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:22,400 different angle he actually went through 1006 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:26,140 I believe certain government officials 1007 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:29,510 for that book so it's it's gonna be 1008 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:31,190 interesting to tackle it from all sides 1009 00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:34,310 but it's just such a fascinating case 1010 00:49:39,220 --> 00:49:38,030 that I think people don't know as much 1011 00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:39,230 as they think about it 1012 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:41,660 yeah yeah it seems to be one of those 1013 00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:45,650 kind of like you know I hate comparing 1014 00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:47,990 things in Roswell but it's true like the 1015 00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:49,099 minute you think you have an answer 1016 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:51,470 something flips it on its head and 1017 00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,690 changes everything and that's kind of 1018 00:49:58,180 --> 00:49:55,520 what I've experienced in the past few 1019 00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:58,190 months of my life is I thought I kind of 1020 00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:01,250 knew what happened in Roswell and now 1021 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:04,339 the further I'm digging in and the more 1022 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:07,270 stories I'm hearing and literally being 1023 00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:10,010 boots on the ground in Roswell talking 1024 00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:12,380 to locals my entire theory on Roswell 1025 00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:15,020 has been thrown out the window so yeah 1026 00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:18,080 it's it's fascinating man and I'm glad 1027 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:20,270 to hear that they're still developing 1028 00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:22,130 stories when it comes to Socorro because 1029 00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:24,830 it is it's it's one of those pivotal 1030 00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:26,540 cases that we can turn to and be like 1031 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:28,820 this is a credible witness no one can 1032 00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:33,050 ever like denounce that and and it's 1033 00:50:38,609 --> 00:50:35,180 amazing that you guys are finding new 1034 00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:38,619 stuff so god I can't wait to hear that 1035 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:42,320 absolutely man and I can't stress enough 1036 00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:45,530 to the people that are looking into this 1037 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:48,320 tails matter and when details are 1038 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:51,080 represented it can totally throw off a 1039 00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:55,810 case it and it's done so repeatedly like 1040 00:51:00,160 --> 00:50:58,730 look at what how it's been how things 1041 00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:00,170 have been portrayed in Kelly 1042 00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:02,180 Hopkinsville with the Kelly Hopkinsville 1043 00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:05,870 Kaplan's you know they were labeled in 1044 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:08,120 in and they're still known in in many 1045 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:10,250 circles as the Kelly little green men 1046 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:12,890 even though they weren't green they were 1047 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:15,530 very they were wearing metallic they 1048 00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:17,810 were metallic of swearing metallics you 1049 00:51:23,110 --> 00:51:20,630 know suits or something because you know 1050 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:23,120 every time that this family shot at them 1051 00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:24,650 they would kind of hear this metallic 1052 00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:27,680 ping here and there so the details 1053 00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,470 matter and mmin of the most fascinating 1054 00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:33,440 details of that case that gets passed up 1055 00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:35,750 every single time is that when the first 1056 00:51:42,810 --> 00:51:38,420 being approached the house its hands 1057 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:42,820 were up like it was surrendering oh [\h__\h] 1058 00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:47,240 yeah so it clearly didn't want this 1059 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:50,540 firefight that seemed to ensue no it did 1060 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:52,940 it definitely didn't seem like it wanted 1061 00:51:57,310 --> 00:51:56,090 anything to do with that so again yeah 1062 00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,320 details matter 1063 00:52:03,610 --> 00:52:00,800 and when details are misrepresented it's 1064 00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:03,620 just it throws off an entire case and in 1065 00:52:08,830 --> 00:52:06,020 it and it could change the narrative 1066 00:52:12,490 --> 00:52:08,840 quickly absolutely I mean if you even 1067 00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,500 have like you're off by a day on a UFO 1068 00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:14,720 investigation that changes everything 1069 00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:18,950 like it is it's the devil is in the 1070 00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:19,580 details 1071 00:52:27,970 --> 00:52:26,150 you know okay so we have your last one 1072 00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,980 which again is one of my favorites as 1073 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:30,440 well Socorro being investigated by mr. J 1074 00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:33,170 Alan Hynek so I'm going to bring it up 1075 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:36,590 to recent times we have the Project Blue 1076 00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:38,870 Book television series on the History 1077 00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:41,720 Channel very divisive show right now in 1078 00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:44,420 the UFO community so I'm gonna get your 1079 00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:47,120 thoughts man um you know I think the 1080 00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:49,070 last time we spoke it was just being 1081 00:52:53,890 --> 00:52:51,020 announced that the show is starting but 1082 00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:53,900 now we're four episodes in and what do 1083 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:55,400 you think what are your thoughts on 1084 00:52:59,350 --> 00:52:57,890 Project Blue Book the television series 1085 00:53:02,350 --> 00:52:59,360 it's 1086 00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:02,360 so great to see some of these cases come 1087 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:06,080 to life but even even though like some 1088 00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:09,170 of the details are kind of altered here 1089 00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:12,020 and there but at the core of it are 1090 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:14,680 these real stories 1091 00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,810 when you're talking flatwoods okay for 1092 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:20,000 instance a lot of that stuff happened 1093 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:22,910 like the town yeah they were kind of on 1094 00:53:28,570 --> 00:53:25,850 edge about things they didn't go to like 1095 00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:28,580 it didn't become this like Frankenstein 1096 00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:32,540 trope Thorpe's yeah yeah yeah but the 1097 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:34,700 town was definitely you know uneasy 1098 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:35,990 about this they didn't want that 1099 00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:39,920 attention but a you know it's it's kind 1100 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:42,230 of like for entertainment value of 1101 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:43,490 course they're gonna blow it out of 1102 00:53:49,450 --> 00:53:46,850 proportion the the Lubbock's lights 1103 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:49,460 Lubbock lights case is another 1104 00:53:54,220 --> 00:53:51,530 fascinating one that I think they they 1105 00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:54,230 did a really good job did it really mess 1106 00:54:01,080 --> 00:53:56,150 with people's cars no it didn't it 1107 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:04,690 cars being affected by UFOs you know 1108 00:54:10,090 --> 00:54:06,440 started to happen but you know what 1109 00:54:15,370 --> 00:54:10,100 there's a case from Texas you know that 1110 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:15,380 that did happen so and in you know it's 1111 00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,050 cool to see that it's cool to see the 1112 00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:21,440 Lubbock lights you know portrayed on an 1113 00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:23,660 on a show it's cool to see the child's 1114 00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:26,720 witted account portrayed on a show even 1115 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:31,700 in this larger context of Operation 1116 00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:35,330 Paperclip yeah and and and like I was 1117 00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:38,630 saying to you earlier it's like there is 1118 00:54:44,530 --> 00:54:40,310 more truth to it than I think people 1119 00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:44,540 realize now when people talk about child 1120 00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:47,740 witted what they may not realize is that 1121 00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:52,940 in Europe from 1946 to 1948 you know it 1122 00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,620 was kind of off and on what they had 1123 00:54:59,830 --> 00:54:56,180 sightings of were these things called 1124 00:55:03,550 --> 00:54:59,840 ghost rockets and for a long time people 1125 00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:03,560 thought this was like the Russians in 1126 00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:07,790 Germany launching these v1 or v2 rockets 1127 00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:10,700 and you kind of have that in the United 1128 00:55:13,509 --> 00:55:12,590 States with Operation Paperclip and 1129 00:55:16,029 --> 00:55:13,519 there's Verner 1130 00:55:20,289 --> 00:55:16,039 von braun you know the the face of this 1131 00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:20,299 entire thing and you know it's it's it's 1132 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:25,369 cool to see how what they're playing up 1133 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:29,450 is at first what it seems like well we 1134 00:55:35,259 --> 00:55:31,849 want to you know cover this up not 1135 00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:35,269 because there's nefarious stuff going on 1136 00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:37,220 but we you know we want it we want to 1137 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:38,420 keep the public home 1138 00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:40,490 that's that's number one priority and 1139 00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,200 there's still kind of that but now 1140 00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:44,960 you're getting glimpses of you know deep 1141 00:55:50,049 --> 00:55:47,569 inside government stuff which is it's 1142 00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:50,059 just fun you know it's it's fun you know 1143 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:52,190 from an x-files kind of like standpoint 1144 00:55:56,769 --> 00:55:54,950 but like I'm enjoying the show so far 1145 00:55:59,079 --> 00:55:56,779 Aidan Gillen is knocking it out of the 1146 00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,089 park Michael Bell our key knocking it 1147 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:02,240 out of the park you know the woman 1148 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:04,730 playing Mimi hi Nick I love ya that were 1149 00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,250 we're getting to see this other side of 1150 00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:09,920 hynek's life you know his personal life 1151 00:56:15,279 --> 00:56:12,440 and how this job affected his 1152 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:15,289 relationship I mean I was listening to 1153 00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:17,089 an interview recently with the actress 1154 00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:19,670 playing me and she said like could you 1155 00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:21,950 imagine how heartbreaking that it is 1156 00:56:27,609 --> 00:56:24,680 that you have to like go into your 1157 00:56:29,950 --> 00:56:27,619 husband's office and peer into his 1158 00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,960 Diaries about what's going on in his 1159 00:56:34,509 --> 00:56:32,480 life because it's yes so top secret it's 1160 00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:34,519 just I can't imagine having to do that 1161 00:56:41,470 --> 00:56:38,420 yeah absolutely and I mean and and I 1162 00:56:43,779 --> 00:56:41,480 think it another thing that I don't 1163 00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:43,789 think people are talking about as much 1164 00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:46,579 as how well it's playing up this 1165 00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:49,190 paranoia angle in the 50s you know at 1166 00:56:52,569 --> 00:56:51,140 the Cold War and everything it's doing a 1167 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:52,579 really great job with that 1168 00:56:58,210 --> 00:56:55,880 and at times I feel like the shows a 1169 00:57:00,160 --> 00:56:58,220 little busy with with what it's doing it 1170 00:57:03,309 --> 00:57:00,170 at times it seems like it has a little 1171 00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,319 too much going on maybe with like the 1172 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:06,400 the Russian spy angle yeah it's kind of 1173 00:57:11,319 --> 00:57:08,930 it just seems kind of like a little shoe 1174 00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:11,329 who shoehorned in there but you know 1175 00:57:16,539 --> 00:57:13,460 it's it's it'll be interesting to see 1176 00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:16,549 how that develops you know it'll be 1177 00:57:20,589 --> 00:57:18,589 interesting to see you know what else is 1178 00:57:23,769 --> 00:57:20,599 covered where where it's going because I 1179 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:23,779 don't think it's totally you don't 1180 00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:25,910 totally you know notice at this point 1181 00:57:29,769 --> 00:57:26,599 where is it 1182 00:57:32,499 --> 00:57:29,779 but yeah that's a good point yeah that's 1183 00:57:34,989 --> 00:57:32,509 that's nice thing about it but I could 1184 00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:34,999 see where like the the Hynek aficionados 1185 00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,839 get get upset but i think what people 1186 00:57:43,329 --> 00:57:41,119 need to understand too is that two of 1187 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:43,339 hynek's children consulted on this show 1188 00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:45,890 yeah yeah exactly I mean they had the 1189 00:57:51,069 --> 00:57:48,440 blessing of the family so that's enough 1190 00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,079 for me but I agree with you and I agree 1191 00:57:56,529 --> 00:57:53,359 with the aficionados like no this is not 1192 00:57:59,079 --> 00:57:56,539 historically accurate by any stretch of 1193 00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,089 the imagination and we know History 1194 00:58:05,529 --> 00:58:01,359 Channel isn't known for always being 1195 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:05,539 historically accurate I mean we have if 1196 00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,450 we want to run through briefly like the 1197 00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:11,390 History Channel's kind of relationship 1198 00:58:17,819 --> 00:58:14,329 with these strange these programs about 1199 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:17,829 weird topics yeah it starts with 1200 00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:19,849 history's mysteries which was a great 1201 00:58:24,219 --> 00:58:22,009 show was kind of like the History 1202 00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:24,229 Channel's take almost on in search of it 1203 00:58:27,999 --> 00:58:25,729 was really fun you know a really fun 1204 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:28,009 show and then you get into monster quest 1205 00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:31,089 which was you know cryptids all the time 1206 00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:34,190 you get into the Nostradamus effect 1207 00:58:39,549 --> 00:58:36,109 which was just straight-up garbage I'm 1208 00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:39,559 sorry but there's no other way to to go 1209 00:58:46,479 --> 00:58:43,900 around it they played up the paranoia of 1210 00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:46,489 2012 you know being the end of the world 1211 00:58:52,299 --> 00:58:50,420 yeah so be it and then the the 1212 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:52,309 blockbuster ancient aliens of course 1213 00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,210 which motherlode oh yeah oh and we can't 1214 00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:58,160 forget we can't forget about UFO Hunters 1215 00:59:05,249 --> 00:59:00,680 even before that because that was on 1216 00:59:07,959 --> 00:59:05,259 history I forgot yeah my favorite shows 1217 00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,969 it is and you know what's really cool is 1218 00:59:14,739 --> 00:59:10,160 that at one point they actually talked 1219 00:59:16,989 --> 00:59:14,749 to Lonnie Zamora on that show yep and 1220 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:16,999 now we have Project Blue Book which none 1221 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:19,190 of us ever saw coming and never thought 1222 00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,049 we'd see the day when you know not only 1223 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:22,880 was Project Blue Book gonna be covered 1224 00:59:29,529 --> 00:59:26,450 in like TV serial format but to see J 1225 00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:29,539 Allen Hynek who's now like this super 1226 00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:32,900 cool hero on television it's just that's 1227 00:59:37,569 --> 00:59:35,630 enough for me man yeah and he kind of is 1228 00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:37,579 a little bit of an action hero you know 1229 00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:39,529 just slightly not too much but I mean 1230 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:40,340 like 1231 00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:42,710 in the first episode the man survives a 1232 00:59:48,730 --> 00:59:46,400 plane crash yeah yeah that was a little 1233 00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:48,740 much for me but yeah yeah yeah like this 1234 00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:50,750 is where the show is taking liberties 1235 00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:53,600 and what I really like is they're being 1236 00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:57,260 very respectful to the cases after the 1237 01:00:01,870 --> 00:59:59,530 episodes yeah in terms of like having 1238 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:01,880 people like Richard Dolan or Jacques 1239 01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:04,130 Vallee come on and tell the actual case 1240 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:06,470 that it's based on so I think that was 1241 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:08,810 responsible of them and I look forward 1242 01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:10,490 to those every week and then you get to 1243 01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:13,040 compare and contrast what you saw in the 1244 01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:15,140 show and the sort of fictional arc 1245 01:00:19,630 --> 01:00:16,760 they're creating and what actually 1246 01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:19,640 happened I think it's pretty cool yeah 1247 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:22,550 and I mean it's kind of a way to bring a 1248 01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:26,330 whole new audience to these UFO cases 1249 01:00:32,290 --> 01:00:28,580 you know to sell some more books damn it 1250 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:32,300 you know why they'll not exactly exactly 1251 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,770 well Rob this has been amazing my man I 1252 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:38,240 always loved having you come on for 1253 01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:39,980 these because I know we don't really 1254 01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:43,070 have to plan months in advance for what 1255 01:00:47,170 --> 01:00:44,540 we're going to talk about I know here 1256 01:00:50,110 --> 01:00:47,180 always good for this and tipping back a 1257 01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,120 drink so what can we expect next from 1258 01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:52,400 you over at the our strange skies 1259 01:01:00,010 --> 01:00:57,920 podcast so right now we've basically got 1260 01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:00,020 two episodes in the works one of them 1261 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:04,040 because I just randomly tweeted out one 1262 01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:06,050 day I was like you know this is all the 1263 01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:07,910 weird stuff that has happened to me in 1264 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:09,590 my life all these weird experiences and 1265 01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:10,850 people are are you going to do an 1266 01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:15,620 episode about that you had to have 1267 01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,180 expected that man expected to get as 1268 01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:22,340 much attention as it did but unlike 1269 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:25,940 alright sure so we've got a vote about 1270 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:32,330 my my personal stories and I started a 1271 01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:35,330 series about the Gulf Breeze incidents 1272 01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:39,230 with my friends Sam and Jason of the not 1273 01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:42,320 alone podcast and it's been a it's been 1274 01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,030 a while we need to we need to go back 1275 01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:46,640 and finish it so that's what we're gonna 1276 01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,480 do we're gonna finish ed Walters crazy 1277 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:52,920 story and his 1278 01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:54,930 easy encounters with these aliens and 1279 01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,310 all just the weird stuff that was 1280 01:02:01,040 --> 01:01:59,040 happening in Gulf Breeze and then after 1281 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:01,050 that we're gonna be taking a year off 1282 01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:03,450 the rest of the year off and we're gonna 1283 01:02:07,610 --> 01:02:05,550 get our bearings back and you know this 1284 01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:07,620 there's changes that are gonna be coming 1285 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:09,780 we're gonna be telling more stories 1286 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:12,570 we're gonna be exploring it in a 1287 01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:14,490 different format and and trying 1288 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,190 different things so you know that I'm 1289 01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:20,640 optimistic for what our strange skies is 1290 01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:24,150 going to be in the future so really look 1291 01:02:27,770 --> 01:02:26,910 for us in 2020 we're gonna be we're 1292 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:27,780 gonna be bringing it 1293 01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,510 we will eagerly be awaiting that my man 1294 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:32,640 I can't wait to see what you guys come 1295 01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:34,770 up with over there so where can we find 1296 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:38,160 the our strange skies podcast if you 1297 01:02:42,110 --> 01:02:39,930 want to listen to the our strange guys 1298 01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,120 podcast we are available on every single 1299 01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:44,640 podcast platform just search for our 1300 01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:47,310 strange skies and if you want to connect 1301 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:49,980 with me I've got a Twitter account we've 1302 01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:52,050 got a Facebook group we've got an 1303 01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:53,880 Instagram account search for our strange 1304 01:03:01,610 --> 01:02:57,270 skies our email our strange skies at 1305 01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:01,620 gmail.com and you know send us contact 1306 01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:05,910 us we will talk always and we will talk 1307 01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:08,940 again my friend and do these much more 1308 01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:10,710 often because these are my favorite 1309 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:13,710 episodes of the show so once again I 1310 01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,210 have to thank you for pulling up a 1311 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:17,520 barstool next to me for you fo happy 1312 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:20,850 hour vol 2 and I cannot wait for the 1313 01:03:23,579 --> 01:03:21,640 next one 1314 01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:23,589 YouTube man thanks again for having me 1315 01:04:03,770 --> 01:03:24,030 on 1316 01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:03,780 [Music] 1317 01:04:08,410 --> 01:04:05,420 [Applause] 1318 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:08,420 [Music]